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Old 01-15-2016, 04:28 AM
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Is this the BIL whose health has worried you before?

No sir. He passed on a couple of years ago. This is his younger brother. It's been a difficult few days.
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Old 01-15-2016, 09:10 AM
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Today's featured aircraft by Dicksbro is mislabelled. There was no such thing as the Halberstadt CL-I. Instead, the aircraft illustrated is the widely-successful CL-II.

The confusion comes from the Luftstreitkräfte's designation system during the First World War.

At the beginning of the war, the system was quite simple: A for monoplanes, B for biplanes. (And this was at a time when the LSK didn't, as such, exist yet; it was still called IdFlieg, Inspektion der Fliegertruppen) Later, when people started arming aircraft, the Germans decided that category C aircraft would be two-seat, armed general-purpose aircraft.

The the IdFlieg/LSK decided to start doing a more or less mnemonic, rather than strict alphabetic system: D, Doppeldecker (biplane); E, Eindecker (monoplane); Dr, Dreidecker, (triplane: all D, Dr, & E also imply single-seat aircraft); G Grossfleugzug, large aircraft, multi-engine bombers, (originally K, Kampffleugzug, "Battle aircraft); R, Reisenfleugzug, giant aircraft, some even larger than many WW II bombers; J, apparently a throw-back to the alphabetical system, armored ground-attack aircraft.

And then the more specialized aircraft:
N, Nacht, (night) aircraft specially designed for night operations);
CN, night-adapted C aircraft, later simply N;
DJ, single-seat aircraft adapted fr ground attack;
CL & GL: CL is, of course, the class to which the featured aircraft belongs. The addition "L" implies "Licht" (light): lightweight versions of C or G aircraft. In the case of C aircraft, the original purpose was to produce a two-seat escort fighter. They could also carry a few light bombs, and when ground strafing & close air support became part of their regular duties, grenade racks were added to their regular equipment.
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Old 01-15-2016, 09:15 AM
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And as a follow-on to that:
There was never any such aircraft as the Halberstadt CL-I because the company & army both were apparently following the numerical sequence from the earlier types produced by the same company. To add t the confusion, there were a couple of different Halberstadt C-I aircraft: an experimental C-I, and then a licensed-built copy of the DFW C-V (originally known also as the Halberstadt, then the designation was changed to DFW C-V (Halb)). Then the Halberstädter Fleuzug-Werke built their CL-II. They also did produce a "regular" C-III, and followed up their CL-II with a CL-IV, also fairly widely accepted by the Luftstreitkräfte.
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Old 01-16-2016, 05:09 AM
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Interesting insights, gecko! Thanks. Appreciate your comments. Today's Armstrong-Whitworth is interesting, because only one was completed and the model never went into production. It was a three-seated fighter (very unusual) with two gunners. It's performance however was not adequate and further research was dropped.
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Old 01-16-2016, 02:38 PM
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Yep, either the F. K. 5 or 6-one example of each built, with the 6 being the follow-on to the 5. Fuselage height/depth suggests the illustration is the F. K. 6. By the time it was actually designed and ready for testing, it was already obsolete, and fortunately for the aircrews that would otherwise have had to fly it, the status was recognized-a sharp contrast to several Royal Aircraft Factory products of the First World War.

And the designation "FK" for Armstrong-Whitworth aircraft products refers to Frederick Koolhoven, a Dutch designer working for Ack-W. (And what other famous Dutch aircraft designers of the period do we know about?).
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Old 01-18-2016, 09:50 AM
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And today, it's the Friedrichshafen G-III. Actually a more widely-used bomber than the more famous Gotha G types, it was also probably more effective; the sources I have claim that the aircrews involved with the types praised the Friedrichshafen's reliability over the Gotha.
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Old 01-18-2016, 07:34 PM
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I've noticed a prevailing amount of German aircraft.....no American or English DB?
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Old 01-19-2016, 02:40 AM
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There were no serious American aircraft in the European theatre in this time period. The French SPAD was the primary mount for the Yanks.
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Old 01-19-2016, 05:25 AM
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OF is entirely correctly here-the US talked a big talk, but the plans to fill out the US ranks with US design, built & operated aircraft were badly implemented, rife with corruption, and generally pie-in-the-sky (yes, pun intended) hopes. The US had to make due with (sometimes US-built) British designs (DH 4, DH 9 & 9A) and French (Nieuport Ni.28, SPAD S.13, Breguet Br.14) aircraft. The US designed & built "Liberty" engine, in varying power ratings did power many of the foreign (to the US) designed, US-built aircraft though.

For my own part, I wonder if DB is trying to set up a challenge, see if I will have t skip commenting on something he pictures. We are getting close, but I do have a whle lot of reference materials handy.

Vickers F.B. (Fighting Biplane) 24-another aircraft that never made it beyond the prototype stage The engine that it was designed to mate with, the Vickers -developed Hart, was to unreliable. It probably could have been made to work, but by the time the might have happened, the British already had a very servicable Two-seat fighter aircraft, the Bristol F.2b. In stark contrast to a lot of British products,t he F.2b was one of the best aircraft of the war, completely obscuring the Vickers F.B.24.
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Old 01-19-2016, 07:17 AM
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I'm not that into planes, but I remember there being quite a few in WW2 that were American design, made, and piloted. I kind of figured it might have been similar in WW1.
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Old 01-19-2016, 07:44 AM
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Yes LS, the lessons of WW1 were learned, but not until America started supplying planes to Britain did the rush of adequate planes begin.
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Old 01-20-2016, 01:14 PM
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So today we have the ever so famous Fokker E-II. Honestly it was an adequate design; Antony Fokker was building more-or-less copies of the pre-war Morane monoplane (as the A-I); after he was shown Roland Garros' deflector wedges for dealing with the problem of building a machine gun & aircraft combination that a single pilot could deal with, Fokker claims to have invented an interrupter gear that would avoid the problem of degrading propeller (and thus aircraft) performance, the problem of a basic 'pusher' type design that also degraded aircraft performance, and still allow a single-seat airborne weapons system. In reality, such a design existed before the War, patented by Franz Schneider (by then working for LVG); but official indifference and Schneider's realization that military-grade ammunition often 'hung fire' made Schneider drop the project.

So, Fokker got the credit, mated the interrupter gear with his A-I, built several of them before switching to the improved E-II design, worte a whole bunch of utter bullshit about it in his autobiography, the Fokker E-series of aircraft (at least all the early ones, E-I through E-IV) launched several early famous German air heroes on their careers, and the Allies more-or-less panicked because the Germans were suddenly shooting back and created several exaggerated phrases like 'Fokker Scourge'.
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Sounds like modern business to me. Someone does all the work, someone else takes all the credit and then exaggerates the idea with bullshit.
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Old 01-21-2016, 03:01 AM
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I think you hit the nail on the head, LS. May not, however, been just the case with "modern business" but probably goes way, way back!
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Old 01-21-2016, 05:22 AM
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Ah, yes, Antony Fokker, despite being a Dutch native, thoroughly absorbed the principles of American big business. Build your company on the back of giants.

Today, DB features the Nieuport Ni 28. This was a follow-on to a series of quite successful single-seat fighter aircraft; Nieuport Ni. 11, Nieuport Ni. 17 then the 28. However, by the time the 28 was developed & put into service, the lightweight, comparatively flimsy construction was a flawed design concept. Or, at least badly implemented. The French had the SPAD S. 13 by then, and while the Nieuport company built plenty of 28s, they saw comparatively little service in the Aéronautique Militaire. Instead, when the Americans showed up, and lacked aircraft, the French foisted the Nieuport 28s off on them-initially even without armament, since they were supposed to be only used as advanced trainers. Then the Americans got the guns, and tried to use them as front-line fighters. The famous ace Eddie Rickenbacker, in fact, was nearly killed early in his flying career when he maneuvered his 28 too violently, almost all the fabric peeled off of his right wings, and he crashed.
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