06-22-2005, 09:28 PM
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Just send them directly to me :grin:
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06-22-2005, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by musicman
So, have these laws actually been passed? Or do we have to follow them regardless until they have been passed?
As for ideas, could we start like a yahoo group or something where we would need to register to partake? And if so, if the group is registered in another country, say Canada, could we post then?
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The federal law is effective as of 6/23. There is alread a yahoo group PixiesOrphans.
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06-22-2005, 10:20 PM
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record keeping
Now by no means am I a lawyer, but I have a fairly logical and analytical mind...so I decided to pour over some of the links to try and figure out proper wording and wiggle room with intent.
As for record keeping the main part of the law is under US Code: Title 18,2275:
(a) Whoever produces any book, magazine, periodical, film, videotape, or other matter which—
(1) contains one or more visual depictions made after November 1, 1990 of actual sexually explicit conduct; and
(2) is produced in whole or in part with materials which have been mailed or shipped in interstate or foreign commerce, or is shipped or transported or is intended for shipment or transportation in interstate or foreign commerce;
shall create and maintain individually identifiable records pertaining to every performer portrayed in such a visual depiction.
now the key to this statement is in my mind that both sections a(1) and a(2) must be true due to the AND between them for it to be required for you to keep records. Seeing as Pixies does not intend for any of it's content to be used in any form of commerce; interstate, forgein or otherwise it would not fall under the requirements. All other subsections in the record keepings requirement section REQUIRE section (A) to be true to apply. So as I read the law, in my amateur opinion mind you, would not require pixies to maintain record keeping.
I'll get to work on the other section next.
-Rukh75
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06-22-2005, 10:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rukh75
Now by no means am I a lawyer, but I have a fairly logical and analytical mind...so I decided to pour over some of the links to try and figure out proper wording and wiggle room with intent.
-Rukh75
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one problem this is the law we are talking about you can throw logic out the window
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06-22-2005, 10:30 PM
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next hurdle...
Ok so I've briefly looked over our other outrage...the jeered US Code:Title 18,2256. This by my understanding is nothing more than a Definitions section as it applies to the terms under Chapter 110 - SEXUAL EXPLOITATION AND OTHER ABUSE OF CHILDREN. Section 2256 reads as follows for those not familiar:
2256. Definitions for chapter
Release date: 2004-08-06
For the purposes of this chapter, the term—
(1) “minor” means any person under the age of eighteen years;
(2) “sexually explicit conduct” means actual or simulated—
(A) sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex;
(B) bestiality;
(C) masturbation;
(D) sadistic or masochistic abuse; or
(E) lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person;
(3) “producing” means producing, directing, manufacturing, issuing, publishing, or advertising;
(4) “organization” means a person other than an individual;
(5) “visual depiction” includes undeveloped film and videotape, and data stored on computer disk or by electronic means which is capable of conversion into a visual image;
(6) “computer” has the meaning given that term in section 1030 of this title;
(7) “custody or control” includes temporary supervision over or responsibility for a minor whether legally or illegally obtained;
(8) “child pornography” means any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where—
(A) the production of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;
(B) such visual depiction is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;
(C) such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or
(D) such visual depiction is advertised, promoted, presented, described, or distributed in such a manner that conveys the impression that the material is or contains a visual depiction of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and
(9) “identifiable minor”—
(A) means a person—
(i)
(I) who was a minor at the time the visual depiction was created, adapted, or modified; or
(II) whose image as a minor was used in creating, adapting, or modifying the visual depiction; and
(ii) who is recognizable as an actual person by the person’s face, likeness, or other distinguishing characteristic, such as a unique birthmark or other recognizable feature; and
(B) shall not be construed to require proof of the actual identity of the identifiable minor.
To me, once again NOT a lawyer, this is nothing more than a definitions page clarifing stances in Chapter 110 of US Code Title 18. This section defines and deals with sexual crimes against children. Now seeing as I addressed the records keeping requirement earlier, and that in no case does pixies contain contents of minors or intend to market its current or future content for commerce that none of the other sections that this definitions section would apply or effect us on the whole. I'll keep digging, but i hope this is making sense
-Rukh75
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06-22-2005, 10:32 PM
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Missing the Angels
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Originally Posted by rockintime
Oh, keee-rap...am I gonna have to remove ALL my picture posts here?
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06-22-2005, 10:33 PM
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Regardless of what you decipher the law to mean or as to the why's. The owners have set a policy and it will be enforced. I've watched these proceedings of people hashing it all out at several other sites experiencing this same new struggle. Ultimately it's the owner's necks in the noose and their policy will be followed in order to keep us safe and operating.
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06-22-2005, 10:39 PM
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I understand what the policy is Lil and it's their choice and I'll respect it, as much as I kid and joke about not doing so. But seeing as this was a place to post questions and answers I thought that I would actually take a look at the laws, definitions and statments of this section. I understand erring on the side of lawful is always better especially when it's one's own ass on the line. I was just trying to point out in a logical fashion how and why pixies, even now, should still be withing the constructs of the current law. By no means was I protesting the change or policy...just tryin to shed a little light on an otherwise murky stick in the mud (except for the protecting children part ) kinda law
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06-22-2005, 10:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PantyFanatic
Does anybody know the schedule for when this government will start the book burning and ‘relocation programs’?
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06-22-2005, 10:48 PM
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I understand. I really do but I find it somewhat strange that those of you who feel compelled to comb through the law must be assuming that has not already been done by many top lawyers who specialize in this field and those of civil liberties. Do you think webmasters are taking this step willingly, carelessly? No. I would think that they only are acting because they feel all avenues have been explored. Knowing what little I know, and having read a myriad of articles on the topic, I believe lakritze posted about this issue here some time ago even, that there is something about this particular law that has caused website owners to feel the need to protect themselves and their members. I certainly have no legal background so my answers can only be on how things will be handled when REPORTED and what content may be permissible.
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06-22-2005, 11:02 PM
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Oh well....the pics are but a small part of this site
I'm sure we'll still carry on regardless....just need time to adjust is all
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06-22-2005, 11:05 PM
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I guess I also go off the topic of the section, of answering questions about the new policy. Sorry I brought up my take on the laws here at all. Didn't want to cause any extra stress, I understand why and under what kind of pressure webmasters all across the net have had to handle the change in law...and yes I agree I'm no lawyer and they gotta know something I don't otherwise I'd be making the big $$$ too By looking over the law I guess I was trying to give myself a better understanding, this just wasn't the appropriate place to post my "findings" I'll take my law rant and go try and take some NEW pictures hehe. Sorry to stress ya Lil, guess I just got a bit on the excited side...
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06-22-2005, 11:10 PM
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Understandable! Really! I have quite a few pics here myself and am facing all the same issues you guys are.
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06-22-2005, 11:18 PM
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Well i (under sharni) have 400+ *LOL*....so i definately am definately facing this too
But its no biggie...we'll just share otherways
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06-22-2005, 11:48 PM
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I ummmmmm have over 1400 pics here. Can you at least lets us know in advance if they are going to have to delete the explicit ones so we can get what we want saved?
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