Once upon a time..... some of us would bet our life on that in the U.S. too. :(

By some's warped standards so was Rep. Foley.

Lilith,

By a MAJORITY's standards.

Hmmm. My definition of success definitely veers drastically from what you seem to perceive. In my eyes, just because a majoority of the voter's in his district elected him to an office does not in any way make him a success. As a human he's a failure.

Lilith,

I agree with you! Your definition of success definitely veers drastically from what those who put him in office perceive, or to be current – perceived, to be success.

He ran, unless I am mistaken, as a politician - not a human, which you have assessed as a failure. I wonder, now that you have assessed him as a failed human, do you see him as sub human?

Doesn't this bring us back to Lil's comment about the needle? We may disagree in the nitty gritty, but the sentiment that these people should be excluded permanently from society seems to be pretty well agreed.

I agree. If someone knew and did nothing, out they should go.

Oldfart,

Sorry, no.

To do so is to say that there exists a class of people who are beyond redemption. While we may all agree that such a class exists, it is most unlikely that we will agree upon its membership. If, as I suspect, this is true, then I am unwilling to consign anyone, even those who I consider truly loathsome to a sub human status. To do so is to crate a caste system more horrific than India ever had.

There is no knuckle dragging political Neanderthal chanting “My country, right or wrong!”, nor any lily livered pacifist whining “Peace at any cost!” who cannot - in principle - be reasoned with. No one said that civilized behavior would be easy or painless, only that is a preferable state to a non sentient “us good – them bad” frame of reference. To be that way is to be as bad as those who we condemn.

I feel confident that everyone who reads these words has, at one time or another, fallen, and has been grateful for the assistance, be it either tough or tender love, extended by others which helped them back up.

Problems exist. Problems can and should be corrected. Unlike some, I prefer not to give up on others.

No one aside from you has called him or anyone else "sub-human".


Fallen?????In my view he is a sexual predator and those who would be his prey deserve to be protected. Whether a politician, a teacher, a priest or a Boy Scout leader, people in a position of trust should act in a way deserving of that trust. For me in this case people we were supposed to be able to trust, did and/or hid crimes against children. It's that simple.

Lilith,

I disagree with you. Reality is not simple.

I ask you again, now that you have assessed him as a failed human, do you see him as sub human? If not, then how can you describe him as a failed human?

Boy you love to argue semantics when your opinions are not being accepted. You take every attempt at discussion and drag it to debate. Sucks the life out of so many serious discussion threads.

subhuman~ Below the human race in evolutionary development.

Nope. I said he failed as a human. His development is fine. His choices respresent his failure.

I'll not be responding to you again. I started this thread to hear the opinions and engage in a discussion with everyone here not to discuss it with you solely.

10-4

Lilith,

Ah well, such is life...you win a few, you lose a few, and some get rained out. :)

Do you think someone knew?

Does everyone understand that these "children" are 17 and 18 years old. Old enough to fight and die, old enough to know right from wrong. And Lilith the Congressman in charge of the Page progam knew and his is not of Foley's party.