Nix The Chix???
 

First I want to apologise for not keeping up with current events at
Pixies this week!I have been undergoing alot of tests(Stress,Anscore,etc)that all have to do with my diabetes.I'm sorry,
but it concerns my immediate family,not my pixies family.As you
know,tho you may disagree with me,I usually have most of the
facts,before I voice my opinion.I waited to see if anyone wrote
about this but am to pissed off to wait any longer!Most radio stations have talked about it this morning.I am in favor of everyone voiceing their opinion,as long as it doesn't hurt anyone.
I have never understood why so-called celebritys(movie stars,
actors,singers,etc.)opinions should be taken with anymore value
than anyone elses.It's ALL over the radio this morning that the
Dixie Chix,after giving a concert overseas,lead singer,stated that
she was not only against a war,but that they were "ASHAMED" that G.Bush was from Texas.The largest supporters of C&W are
the Armed Forces.Most Texans that I have known,act almost as if
Texas were its own country.What is your opinion of this statement?As I said,I agree that people are entitled to their own
opinion.I don't have all of the facts but from what I heard,on the
radio,everyone,Especially Texans are extremely mad.There had even been talk of boycotting anything by them. Irish

Well, I'm sorta confused, what did you want an oppinion on, the Dixie Chix, or that Texans like to consider themselves a country of thier own? Sorry, that was just getting jumbled in my brain.



My oppinion on the DC is that they are just as entitled to an opinion as anyone else. I personally don't support the war, because I'm terrified of what the terrorists will being here to us, and to our children. I don't think this war will be completly off-shore.

I don't support the impending desicion of war, but I understand where it is needed. One thing about a free country, is that free will is going to come to the fore front in people's thoughts on certain matters. Just because the local grocer supports the war, doesn't mean I'm going to boycott shopping there.

I'm not an activist, however, and don't get into things like boycotting. So, would I boycott a musical group just because I don't agree with all of thier own oppinions. Hell, I can't stand the things Eminem preachs about, or states as his own oppinions, but I like his music.

Texas was it's own country once.

I believe we have the right to defend our country to make it better for our children.

But I don't believe in a Hatred War because you just don't like that country so lets blow them up kinda thing..

But end the end we are only voices we don't make the decsions good ole President Bush does... Either he will screw us or help us .. Some time close to home is the bigger enemy

I'm sorry that I didn't make myself clear.I was asking about
if people thought that people should voice their opinions,about
their country,while in other countrys.Their opinions might be
right or wrong,but in most places they wouldn't be able to voice
their opinions.I'm trying to stay non-political on this.I also hate
war but can see the reason for stopping a tyrant, to help others!
In my opinion the old" Not in my Backyard"has to stop someplace.
Someday it could be OUR backyards! Irish

Well i think.......you know they.......that is just..........will the madness.......yep that is all I have to say.

Can I quote you on that? :p

Anytime.

:D

Irish~ I just read about that on the website of a local country station here in Dallas. I like the Dixie Chicks' music, have never been to fond of them as people. As far as their comments about "Dubya" they better just keep their asses in Nashville. As far as their right to make the comment...sure..everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but just because you're a celebrity, don't think that your status alone makes you a spokesperson. I myself am all for the war. We're finally finishing something that George Sr started over 10 years ago. Now that N. Korea has come into the picture, I'm not sure how it will go, but I have faith in our men and women over there. Just my 2 cents.

PS...Hope you're feeling better!

I have to say that the thing that worries me the most about celebrities in general is they DO have an opportunity to reach millions with their opinions. They along with all media represent America. And I find that very unfortunate. Sometimes (especially when I travel) I am almost embarrassed to admit that I am American. It is unbelievable how many non Americans out there have an extremely distorted view of how we are, but understandable given the press that only a certain few have. I can also understand that these celebrities want to take advantage of their coverage to maybe support a political view, but I wish they would realize that some foreigners may then think that their humble opinions are a general consensus.

And that is my humble opinion on the subject;)

Yes, Natalie Maines has the right to express any opinion any time she wants any place she wants.

It is the lowest form of anti-americanism to suggest that an American is anti-american for his or her opinions.

Yes, entertainers do have an advantage in that they can engage an audience with their opinions. I know quite a few entertainers, and there is a political cross-section much like that of the rest of society, some are more verbal than others. I do feel that some of the more liberal views get expressed more because creative people tend to have more exposure to the world around them and to the inner workings of the heart than most others. This tends to lead toward a kind of compassion that you probably won't get from, say, the CEO of Enron.

This thread is officially OT!!!(except to say that the Chicks are still sexy).

Here's a nickle's worth of dung:

I don't think that the war in Iraq is warrented (the case has not been totally proven, well not enough to have people die). I also don't think that Bush will back down. This is a second chance to "get" Hussein. And I agree with Gilly, if there is a war with Iraq, not all the battles will be "over there".

Texas was its own country, it was called Mexico.

Personally, I don't listen much to celebrity opinion. I usually find that they are at best, half-informed and half-cocked.

What scares me more than Iraq is North Korea. There is a nation with nothing to lose. No oil, no resources, no trade, no commerce. How can you put trade or aid restrictions/bans on a country that has nothing? They are a very dangerous group as their leaders are not likely to back down (a loss of face issue). That is not going to be a pretty item.

And to beat it all...they didn't have the guts to say it on American soil....They made the now-infamous comment at a concert in the UK!

I’m with Irish!

So give Texas back to Mexico.




We all know how plugged into reality celebrities (from anywhere in the world) are. The only thing that does bother me is the people that give a shit what they have to say. That 1% of humanity that is in your face flapping their jaws are not the problem. Check out the 99% that cock their ears to listen to these assholes.

Leaders of any kind, … for any reason, can only lead followers.:cool:

First lets clear up a little history.

Texas won its indenpendence from Mexico in 1836 and was its own country, The Republic of Texas until it became a State in 1845.

Of all the States it is the only one that was a country unto itself before becoming a state.

Secondly, yes I do believe that the Dixie Chics or anyone else is entitled to their own personal opinon. But I don't think that they have the right because of their celebrity to foster it on every one else. At the same time I am personally tired of the press creating their own news by by stiring up controversy. They really don't seem to be able to report just the news events without trying to explain what it means. They think that we are so stupid that we can't judge for ourselves what it means.

In conclusion I have my own opinon about Iraq but I am not going to foster it on all the rest of the people at Pixies.

Hope you Feel better soon Irish !!

sam

I don't think anyone should get shit upon for not agreeing with the President of the United States. He's not there by divine rule, for goodness sake!

The tide is turning against this war and I don't think people should shit on the Chicks! They rock! I'm gonna buy their CDs no matter what. If they love Bush great, if they don't agree with him, oh well. Their harmonies rock!

just seen on the news this morning that the lead singer of dc's recanted her statement.

but as for her statement i think anyone has the right to voice thier own opinion, i may not like it but i'm free to say that i don't.

thier are truly hundreds of reasons why things are happening the way they are, and whats up with the human shield that was going to Iraq to block the war, what did it take a trip there for them to realize that the armies would be using REAL bullets and bombs?

GOD BLESS TEXAS

I believe everyone has the right to their opinions. But from what I have read on these two sites. They may be anti-war, but they were playing up more for the crowd to cheer them more than anything. Once the concert was over with, she recanted her statement some. But in each one, she keeps on mentioning about the huge anti-war sentiments that were there. Can someone say stroking to get a response?

First the quote from over seas by the reporter that did the interview.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/revi...,912236,00.html

And I think the website that Eros was talking about here in Dallas.

http://www.kscs.com/listingsentryfe...PT=FeatureStory

The thing about a celebrity saying their peace. It is like a politician. They are in the public's eye, and if it wasn't for the public they wouldn't be where they are. I am not saying this for sure, but I thought I heard on the radio already that the Chicks have already cancelled one concert here in Texas.

I know that this war is drawing out different opinions. But when you are a celebrity, what happens if you piss off half of your fans, or more. How much can it bite into your checkbook? I have already heard of film stars that are saying they are having problems getting leading roles because nobody wants to put them in the lead of a multi-million dollar movie, when they aren't sure if people will come to see them after they have said things. Only time will tell. I do hope that this can be settled peacefully, but if not then I will back the men and women in the forces. And our President. And it isn't just because he is from Texas.

Just my two cents. :)

Tosses Horseman a cold Beer.

I wrote the part about Texans saying that Texas was its own
country,purely out of jest.What I meant is that, most of the
Texans that I have met,are so "GUNG HO"for Texas,that they
act like it is a country.Nevermind!A joke isn't funny if you have
to explain it.I,personally,think that it is "COOL"A little pride,is
good in my opinion.I had some bad times in Texas,but I haven't
been there since "62,and not only have I changed alot but I'm
sure Texas has too!I agree that people should have the right
to voice their opinion but don't think that one should air ones
dirty laundry,in another country.The statement of "Stroking" to
better ones image,is true in this case.I know that many people
are against attacking Iraq,but yesterdays Fox News Survey said
that 71% of AMERICANS were in favor of stopping Saddam!
Irish P.S.My $.02.
P.P.S.Heard on the news this morning,that the lead singer of the
D.C. was apologising to Pres. Bush.I also heard a co-broadcast,
from a Houston Radio Sta.yesterday stating that those were the
lead singers feelings and shouldn't be taken as the other singers
sentiments!

Yes she did, on the second link, Irish. They have what she said, and I quote off the page.

"In a follow-up quote from The Dixie Chicks, Maines was quoted as saying: "We've been overseas for several weeks and have been reading and following the news accounts of our governments' position. The anti-American sentiment that has unfolded here is astounding" And said that she apologized because she does respect the President."


And we won't hold the comment about Texas against you, Irish. ;) No lynching yet. LMAO

Irish, my friend, I completely respect your opinion but not your source in this case. FOX news is a right-wing org. They're going to report polls that fit their mandate.

The Chicks weren't airing dirty laundry, they were expressing their opinions. If Bush wants to get the entire world involved in this war, he's got to expect people to have the same right to express their opinions.

Just a couple of points.

Minor celebs are newsworthy, for who they are, not what they say.

The point behind this war has never been broadcast to my knowledge

as yet. The probability of Saddam giving biological or nuclear weapons

to terrorists is minimal, but a change of regime there into an Islamic

fundamentalist state would place them in the hands of the extremists.

It has little to do with Bin Ladan, yet.

DallasLiving---As I said,I haven't been in Texas since 1962.I
was 17 then,in Basic(Lackland)&Tech. school(Wichita Falls,
Sheppard)I'm sure that Texas&I have changed alot over the years
Steph---Our opinions,on just about everything,are so different,
that I'm not suprised that they differ now.We'll just say that it's
the MAIN difference between being a Canadian&an American!
Irish

Still buds? :)

Steph---Of course!
At one time(when I was younger),I thought that if anyone
thought different than me,they were wrong.Now with maturity
(hopefully)I realise that as long as they are hurting no-one,
that doesn't make them a bad person. Irish
P.S.It's amazing,the way that your outlook changes,as you get
older!

I TOTALLY agree with Seriousfun and Steph.

The new Dixie Chicks album cover
 

With all the talk, I just had to add this here.

I am failing miserably at keeping my two cents to myself... the struggle is killing me... so I give up... here goes...

cha ching

I have absolutely no problem with individuals having their own opinion on the war... I don't even have a problem with hearing the opinions of others... it is their RIGHT to speak their minds.. that is one of the founding freedoms of this country.

That being said, I do have a HUGE problem with the likes of the Dixie Chicks, Martin Sheen, Jessica Lange, Sean Penn, George Clooney, and others...

First, I don't believe for a moment that their is ONE person in the USA that WANTS war.... not even President Bush... for those celebrities to claim that, is completely ignorant.

Secondly, there is a difference between voicing your opinion in a rational manner (and not making it appear that our country is not united) and the way that these celebrities have chosen to do so. I don't recall contacting any of the celebrities in question and asking their opinion, nor do I honestly care what they think.

The celebrities in question are crying foul (no doubt Natalie Maines will too) that they are being punished for voicing their opinions and exercising their right to do so. Sean Penn has claimed that he has lost a $10 Million dollar role due to his outspoken behavior... I say toooo bad Mr. Penn.

I look at it this way... if you were shopping in a grocery store and everytime you checked out the clerk began to preach to you about his/her political view... would you not consider shopping elsewhere? or at the very least go thru another checker... I know I would. That being said, the celebrities in question cannot expect continued support from their fan base if those individuals do not agree with thier stance.

As for Mr. Penn losing his $10 million dollar role, oh well. It is the RIGHT of the director/producer/author to cast individuals in their movie that they believe will lend to the ultimate success of the film... he shouldn't have to risk his dream and hard work on the possibility that Sean Penn's actions will illiminate moviegoers.

I find it ironic that these celebrities have absolutely no problem living in this country and reaping the benefits of doing so... but are the first to attack our government.

As for Natalie Maines, she opened her mouth and will no doubt pay a price for doing so. Her words were sharp and uncalled for and embarassed this country as a whole. I find it amusing that she issued an apology to Pres. Bush citing that he deserves the utmost respect. My guess is that the other Chicks met her back stage and gave her a lashing... one very deserved.

I for one will NOT purchase any Dixie Chicks music (sad because I really enjoyed their talent), I no longer watch the West Wing, I have no desire to watch Sean Penn (sad again because I think he is talented beyond measure), and don't plan on drooling over George Clooney anytime soon..

All of this being said, no doubt some people may claim that I am guilty of the reverse.... speaking out in support of our government. The difference is, that I am doing so on a small scale, amoung friends and those who know me well enough to already have a understanding of my opinions. I am NOT standing in front of thousands and giving other countries the image that our country is not ununitied.

This is no longer a political issue, for me it is about the THOUSANDS of soldiers & sailors that we have on far away soil. Imagine what those men and women are thinking... fighting for the freedoms that we hold dear yet some seem not to respect.

okay.. off my soap box... and I apologize in advance if my post offends anyone..

>>First, I don't believe for a moment that their is ONE person in the USA that WANTS war.... not even President Bush... for those celebrities to claim that, is completely ignorant.<<

Well, do a little research. The Bush administration this week released a list of the top contractors who will rebuild the infrastructure of Iraq after we defeat them. Among the top five are Haliburton (Dick Cheney's company) and the Carlyle Group (G. Bush Sr., Rumsfeld, and many other familiar names). We are paying $2.14/gal for regular out here in CA; do you not think that the Texas oil industry is not profiting from this? Someone does want war, and it is the people in power in Washington who are making money now and will reap tremendous profits when this is done.

>>Secondly, there is a difference between voicing your opinion in a rational manner (and not making it appear that our country is not united) and the way that these celebrities have chosen to do so. I don't recall contacting any of the celebrities in question and asking their opinion, nor do I honestly care what they think.<<

Please, do not buy their records, attend their concerts, watch their shows, or attend anti-war rallies where they express opinions. This is your personal choice, as is it theirs to express their opinion (no matter how poorly chosen or positioned). Just do not question their right to say what they want. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Or move to Iraq, where they won't be able to express these opinions, and you won't be able to hear them (through the burka):rolleyes: :rolleyes:

>>Sean Penn has claimed that he has lost a $10 Million dollar role due to his outspoken behavior... I say toooo bad Mr. Penn.<<

Could it be because the little weasel can't act, and hasn't had a profitable movie in ten years?

>>I look at it this way... if you were shopping in a grocery store and everytime you checked out the clerk began to preach to you about his/her political view... would you not consider shopping elsewhere? or at the very least go thru another checker... I know I would. That being said, the celebrities in question cannot expect continued support from their fan base if those individuals do not agree with thier stance. <<

You have choice of grocery stores, you don't have choice of other Dixie Chicks. Neither Natalie Maines nor your checker has a lock on clear political thinking, but they were in this hypothetical situation speaking on common legal ground: expressing an opinion in a non-public place. The owner of the establishment (in the case of the concert, the promoter) would have a legal right to silence the speaker, unlike the protection we all have under the constitution to publicly speak our minds. In each case, vote with your pocketbook.

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>>I find it ironic that these celebrities have absolutely no problem living in this country and reaping the benefits of doing so... but are the first to attack our government. <<

Again and again, they have a right to say whatever they want (as long as it is not slanderous or libelous) anywhere, anytime about anyone. This is what this country is built on.


>>I for one will NOT purchase any Dixie Chicks music (sad because I really enjoyed their talent), I no longer watch the West Wing, I have no desire to watch Sean Penn (sad again because I think he is talented beyond measure), and don't plan on drooling over George Clooney anytime soon.<<

well, I'll give you a week over Clooney :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ;)

>>...The difference is, that I am doing so on a small scale, amoung friends and those who know me well enough to already have a understanding of my opinions. I am NOT standing in front of thousands and giving other countries the image that our country is not ununitied. <<

No difference. Don't forget this.

And this country is far from united on this.

>>This is no longer a political issue, for me it is about the THOUSANDS of soldiers & sailors that we have on far away soil. Imagine what those men and women are thinking... fighting for the freedoms that we hold dear yet some seem not to respect.<<

It is these soldiers and sailors whose blood will be spilled for the profit of a few wealthy, powerful men. I think we have all learned that it is awful to treat these soldiers and sailors as the bad guys, as some were after Vietnam, and I see zero chance they won't get all of our respect.

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Jenna, thanks for your reasoned opinions.

IMO, considering the overwhelming opposition to our plan of action from nearly every other country in the world, Natalie Maines' statement probably sounds, right or wrong, like a solitary voice of reason to those outside the US. The fact that she can express her opinion is probably the strongest example of our freedoms that we can portray.

And I like you up on that soapbox. The view's pretty good from down here :D

jennaflower---I agree with ALMOST everything that you said.
The only thing is that being strictly hetrosexual,I have never
drooled over George Clooney.
It isn't very often that you will find an Irishman and an English
man agreeing on anything.I have to say that I admire Tony
Blair,for sticking to his beliefs instead of bowing to the majority
of political beliefs,other then his.In most cases it's called"Political
Suicide!" Irish
P.S.You don't find many people willing to fight City Hall!

Seriousfan.....

believe me.. I can last much longer than 3 weeks without drooling over Mr. Clooney... I actually don't find him overly attractive (I know.. I know.. I must be crazy).

You are probably pretty close to the truth when you say that Texas is going to make out well over the oil issue... personally I don't have a problem with that... I would rather see companies in Texas (or any other state in the USA) make money on the oil situation than the forgein countries that do currently. In my opinion that comes back to taking care of our own before taking care of the rest. (But I think that is entirely another issue).

Like I said before, I won't be giving my hard earned money to those celebrities that are outspoken on their anti war stance... I do agree that it is their RIGHT to do so and that they should be allowed to excersize it. However, Freedom isn't free in any aspect and excersizing this RIGHT at this particular time comes at a price... and those that wish to be outspoken are taking the risk of me and millions of others boycotting their films, music, books, etc.

I am a staunch supporter of the RIGHTS that we have in this country including freedom of speech. People seem to fail to remember that these Rights come at a price.

Irish.. up until the last couple years I have paid little attention to the Prime Minister (which I am completely ashamed of since my Mom is from England) but I must say that I am pleased with Mr. Blair's performance thru all of this.

stepping off the soap box again :)

Note: My strong opinions is probably one of the reasons I am single.. ROFL...

Here, Here Jenna !!

I know that supporting your soldiers,doesn't seem that
important,to most of the younger members,but I can tell you,
from my own memories,that when you come home,filled with
pride,because of the good job,that your Govt.,has told you that
you have done!It doesn't make you feel that good,when people
spit at you and call you a baby killer! Irish
P.S.REMEMBER,HANOI JANE!

Do you know that she is actually receiving an award as one of the "Women of the Century"?

Whatever you do, don't slip her a note of desperation!

To this day I wonder, does she even realize that WE know what she did? How can she sleep at night?

LixyChick---I can ASSURE you that any friends that I have,that were POWs at the time,will never forget her! Irish

A different take on warfare gentle folk.


The U.S.S. Constitution (Old Ironsides) as a combat vessel carried
48,600 gallons of fresh water for her crew of 475 officers and men. This was sufficient to last six months of sustained operations at sea. She carried no evaporators (i.e. fresh water distillers!).

However, let it be noted that according to her log, "On July 27,
1798, the U.S.S. Constitution sailed from Boston with a full complement of 475 officers and men, 48,600 gallons of fresh water, 7,400 cannon shot, 11,600 pounds of black powder and 79,400 gallons of rum."

Her mission: "To destroy and harass English shipping." Making
Jamaica on 6 October, she took on 826 pounds of flour and 68,300 gallons of rum.

Then she headed for the Azores, arriving there 12 November. She
provisioned with 550 pounds of beef and 64,300 gallons of Portuguese wine.

On 18 November, she set sail for England. In the ensuing days she defeated five British men-of-war and captured and scuttled 12 English merchantmen, salvaging only the rum aboard each.

By 26 January, her powder and shot were exhausted. Nevertheless, although unarmed she made a night raid up the Firth of Clyde in Scotland. Her landing party captured a whisky distillery and transferred 40,000 gallons of single malt Scotch aboard by dawn. Then she headed home.

The U.S.S. Constitution arrived in Boston on 20 February, 1799,
with no cannon shot, no food, no powder, no rum, no wine, no whisky and 38,600 gallons of stagnant water.

GO NAVY!

Irish why did you have to mention her. I will kept my comments to myself, yes I will, I really will........