Debates on wheter religon was involved in Natzi genocide or have been put back and forth for many years, while i belive that it was not a major brance i think we can all agree that the european cristian comunety in natzy freindly nation didnt mind getting rid of the jews, but more fundamentaly it ahve more in comon whit the religus 'problems' that we see today then we might think.

It's the fundamental groups that create the problems Natzi, Comunist party in Russia or china may no be religus in nature but i think we can all agree that they come from a fundamentalism ideals so the difrense become rather mute.

The problem is not in basis the religon itself but the peopel that twist it in to a fundamental ideolegy.

No culture is the same, USA is a very unik culture thow, sence it share it's 'vestern' culture whit pretty much every european coulture, whit it's 'real' own is the native Amerikans... creating a very mixed but seperated culture that is cuite unik something you wont find anywhere in any singel european country, the difrence of the country dont realy play in as much, the suadi are the way it is becase they have the money to controle a fundamental society whit an iron fist whti the help of every contry in the world, it's one of the most teribul countries treating it's citisence and women ... rather badly.

but we need the oil so we play nice, more fundamental islamic terrorists come out of Saudi Arabia then most other countries combined... this is the birth country of Bin laden.

Indonesia is VERY difrent, but still have it's problem but mostly from outside Islamic fundamentalist wanting to shape the contry in to a fundamentalistic state.

As refernce to living longer as a religus atendence, i tend not to pay atention to statistic like taht sence it's not realy very acurat and the science behind it is rather new, you might want to consider that over the last 50 years doctors ahve stated that a glass of wine a day is good for you, another doctor say it's bad for you and a third say good a forth say bad over and over doctor ahve argued this statistics and it's still raging on.


I have very little agine Religon in fact i love it, it's fasinating stuff, i have a problem whit peopel using religon for there own personal crusade telling me that i'm wrong for not beliving os contradicting astabliched sience and generaly causing health problems.

1, Teaching Evolotion
2, Teaching Age of Earth
3, stem cell Resertch
4, Sexuality issues/education
5, Homosexuality this pisses me of the most i think.
6, Abortion

To me these are a few of the issues that religus groups should plainly stay the hell away from, i belive tehy should be debated under etical guidlines but those guidelines should not be dictated from religus belifes as we see today in the USA under Bush, If you have a religus person who is also a resertcher in the feild of Stem Cell resertch no problem on the issue but he atleast need to KNOW what it is they they need to astablich etical ground for.

And no one will convince me that Bush is to keen on the higher points of what Stem Cell's are.

jseal, i hope you dont take any of these as if i feel Religon should be slapped in teh backseat, realigon is a wounderfull thing that breing meaning to peopels life, a code of conduct and a sence of belogning and a belife in a higher power.

But i cant belive that it should have a positon of political Influence over peopels life whome do not belive in these things, or belive in other things then the 'norm'.

right now that is what we see in the middel east, we see it in China whit the Comunisem... and i see dangerus parts of it in the curent administration in USA.

I do apolagice for these long running posts i usaly just have alot to say.