This thread must have started during my "sabbatical", when I was a little too ill to be hanging around here...but to answer the original question, I could, & have given pleasure to my lady without expecting any payback in return, I can feel very good about that...but I can't imagine that I would enjoy that in the long term, if she didn't insist on returning the favor on occasion...it just seems that in a truly loving relationship, there should always be a need to give without taking on the part of BOTH parties...

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