We don't discuss politics much in the zoid house, as there's really no need to. Mrs zoid & I come from about the same values, & have seldom "cancelled" each other's votes...unlike my late parents, who voted from both sides of the fence for 45 yrs. This year may be a change for us, a brief discussion revealed that she was "scared" of Obama...since she works with a lot of extreme right-wingers, I think she may have bought into some of the lies, when the time is right I may need to educate her, gently of course.

I've always been a bit nihilistic about politics in general, & I have to agree that the state of the nation (not to mention the world in general) has never been so bleak...I just keep repeating Churchill's words, "Democracy is the worst political system, except for all the others"...

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