there have been a very few times that i came w/o clitoral stimulation, just penetration. they were VERY intense orgasms. i don't know what hubby did differently on these occations but if i could figure it out i would teach a class. i can also make my flesh feel jumpy and quivery just thinking about some especially good sex or fantasy. these aren't orgasms so to speak but they are very close and it feels a bit like getting teased by squirming around in a tight pair of jeans. for the most part though, i can't cum unless me or hubby touches the magic button.