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Old 02-02-2005, 01:25 AM
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sexual subterfuge: the rant that wasn't supposed to be

angelicvampires posted a thread that got lil thinking. so lil posted a thread and her thread, coupled with a few recent events and a few sex news articles, got me thinking. or thinking harder, anyway.

i have this anxiety about what the generation that my children belong to (they’re still little) will come to understand about sex and sexuality. frankly, it frightens me.

some of you shared advice you got from your moms and stuff but i wonder if i could turn the tables now. if you have kids or maybe you don’t but you can at least imagine having kids, what’s your advice for them here? specifically, i’m wondering how you try to counterbalance the steady stream of false and idiotic ideas and information about sex that mainstream media streams into our homes everyday (uh…that was alotta streams. huh. weird.)


onward…

(WARNING! after re-reading my post this is the gereral area that i noticed, and you’re all gonna be surprised here, i went off on a little tangent. fell free to skip to the end and post your thoughts)
for example!

~poor spongebob gets blitzed because he might have an eensey weeensey thing goin on with the starfish and had the temerity to suggest we all be more tolerant.
~little buster's trip to the house with two mommies got noticed, and then spectacularly flamed, by some pompous idjit in a $4,000 suit and that was after...after... pbs had already decided not to air it.
~our teens think that getting/giving blowjob's and having anal sex does not make you sexually active. i mean hey…i'm still virgin, right?
~a recent story about kids and body image. a term which, by the way, they have now re-named globalized beauty… wtf? anyway, a girl, she was 11 i think, ate little balls of paper…PAPER!…all day long cause she figured it had no calories but it still made her belly feel full. oh—and she drank water ands ate exlax so she could, "ya know, poop...to stay healthy". smart girl. so why did she do that?
~a woman’s breast popping out on tv can cause a totally overdone media frenzy perpetuated by a hypocritical anchor woman pulling a fatal attraction right there on my plasmascreen in her little swivel chair. (*cough* foxnews *cough* )
~the other football faux pas—the commercial with the woman from housewives. how irresponsible of them to show a naked body???…puh-leeze! even when get it right they get it all wrong. it wasn’t the naked body that was offensive, it was the message that if a woman can’t manipulate a guy into having sex she should at the very least pout and act petulant.
~laws that are still on the books, and yes some of them are still put into practice when it suits a “unique” situation. these laws make certain sexual acts, even when they are performed between two consensual adults in secluded private, illegal, immoral and grounds for arrest. some of them so vaguely worded they could be interpreted to mean masturbating in your shower stall.
~schools that are cornered into to accepting misleading and incomplete sex-ed books because the state that holds the publishing rights has the biggest lobby in congress. (not 100% positive on this one but it popped into my head…heard it somewhere….the state is texas maybe? details…details…)

and except for the vaguely worded laws i mentioned, these are all things that have come to my attention in the last 2 weeks alone!

oh! and on a personal levelthe totally rude, crude, detestable, distasteful, hateful, misinformed and generally bird-brained things i have seen with my own two eyes--which i believe, are a product of all the above and then some, crammed into a growing brain at speeds worthy of an 80’s rock video. it’s disgraceful. it makes me sad.

i could never exile myself from all forms of mainstream media, nor would i want to. so that option is moot. but they all contain some little thing that adds another skewed image to a stockpile of rejects building up in their young minds. and i can’t rationally ensure that my kids won’t ever pick up on these falsehoods even if i could manage to exterminate them from my home.

we see a lot of good stuff too. a lot. but everythign they see gets stored somewhere.

and what gets me is that it’s not like i’m bringign up some brilliant never-thought-of-before idea. marlene deitreck or however you spell her name said that in america, sex in an obsession, everywhere else, it’s a fact. and she’s been dead for like 50 years. this is not new.we talk about it all the time. for cryin’ out loud, the media even talks about how the media itself instigates and fuels these ridiculous notions. it's a twisted society we live in i think sometimes. and america can name herself the gooey cream of celery soup that bonds this society of sexual subterfuge casserole together…errrr…spoooooon!!!!

ok…hold it…the tick reference clued me in….this has turned into a rant…sorry. i’m leaving my thoughts, but i’ll go back and warn everyone where it goes wonky. my only excuse? bigbad’s out of town so I’m staying up wayyyyy too late but my heart is pure and i want your input. anything you wanna say. anything at all. i need to help steer my own kids in the right direction. we have a lot of ways we deal with this already but i wanna soak up all your thoughts, too.
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Old 02-02-2005, 01:38 AM
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I don't have kids. And all my friends' kids are under the age of 5, so I have no valid working hypothesis. However, my best response is that:

1. You're never going to be able to shield your kids from these messages
2. Most of the kids in your kids' schools will have stupid and close-minded ideas about sex, because most of their parents will too.
3. The best thing you can do is to have an open communicative relationship with your kids.....ask good questions....give them your time.....let them feel you are a real confidante
4. It's better to talk to your kids and *know* what they're up to (and steer them into doing it safely) than to stick your head in the sand.
5. Talk about sex openly. Maybe if it's less taboo, there will be less obsession on their parts. I know it worked with me and alcohol.
6. Don't rely on your kids' school to give them good sex ed
7. Know your kids friends
8. Sometimes "cool mom" isn't the best. Kids need boundaries. However, ALWAYS explain "WHY" you require/think/believe some way....with reason, I think kids can adjust. And even respect their parents. However, arbitrary-ness is one of the easiest causes of kid disillusionment with their parents.

/me inserts disclaimer about not having kids again

OK...Now I'm going to leave it to the experts to weigh in.

Go to bed, wyndhy..you'll feel better in the morning.
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Old 02-02-2005, 01:40 AM
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Hypothetically Speaking * Something More * Cammy Interrupted * An Experimental Vacation * Masked * so..damn..hot * Thank You * My toy, his idea * no.19 Maple Lane * I Have A Surprise For You * Yesterday * In a Quiet Kitchen * help me decide * untitled prose * more untitled prose
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Old 02-02-2005, 01:53 AM
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sex and big media. ohhhh great, look what they've done now.

My school taught sex-ed by saying if you have sex, you're going to hell. This seems to be the general vein they're continuing with in the states, too. It's as if they actually want kids to be disillusioned and obsessed and misled about what sex is, and what it means. Once I accepted sexuality into my own life, I was able to breath a sigh of relief. Like wow, that wasn't nearly as fucked up as they made it out to be.

I don't have a whole lot else to add. You covered it pretty well and I agree wholeheartedly. On an amusing note 'spoon' used to be a code word between my long distance honey and myself that there was someone watching over our shoulder and we had to discreetly can the cybersex... hehe....
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I think this is pretty much an American thread and a lot of what is said here does not really apply to culture here in the UK. I'm pretty sure we'd have responded differently the Janet Jackson thing, for example as our reaction over here was: 'It's just a breast, you couldn't even see her nipple, and you can see a couple of those anytime you open the nation's best selling newspaper'.

Having said that it still bugs me that there are people in the world who'll hurredly switch channels when James Bond is undoing his bond girl's dress as their children are watching, but when he's blowing up buildings or firing a gun, no-one bats an eyelid.

Shouldn't we be telling our children that violence is unnacceptable in any circumstances - that it's wrong and that under no circumstances should it be considered 'entertaining'? And that sex is something which does exist in the world and can be a wonderful and enlightingexperience when shared between two consenting adults who love each other deeply?
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I think this is pretty much an American thread and a lot of what is said here does not really apply to culture here in the UK. I'm pretty sure we'd have responded differently the Janet Jackson thing, for example as our reaction over here was: 'It's just a breast, you couldn't even see her nipple, and you can see a couple of those anytime you open the nation's best selling newspaper'.

Having said that it still bugs me that there are people in the world who'll hurredly switch channels when James Bond is undoing his bond girl's dress as their children are watching, but when he's blowing up buildings or firing a gun, no-one bats an eyelid.

Shouldn't we be telling our children that violence is unnacceptable in any circumstances - that it's wrong and that under no circumstances should it be considered 'entertaining'? And that sex is something which does exist in the world and can be a wonderful and enlightingexperience when shared between two consenting adults who love each other deeply?

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