I’ve had the opportunity to first hand witness and experience the integration of lawyers, psychologists and educators over the past ½ century. The changes have been great and the result has NOT!

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You have hit the nail right on the head with that one Lil....an example:

Our district does not allow cell phones to be used by students during the day. If they need to call anyone they are to use the office phone designated for that purpose only and is there for the convenience of the students. One day, during Math class 3 different students received phone calls from parents. The cell phones were confiscated (as per the student handbook that parents have to sign that they have read and agreed to) and the students were told they could pick them up at the end of the day when school got out. Well...a parent coundn't get a hold of her "angel" and called the superintendent who was in a meeting with the principal so he could track this child down. Thinking it was an emergency, he had the student pulled out of class and let her call her mom from his office. The emergency?

"Please pick up a gallon of milk on your way home from school."

I know that it may seem small, but when parents don't adhear to the rules of the district no matter how trivial they appear - and they are there for a reason, the kids feel as if they don't have to either. We have kids leaving the building when they want, if the assignment is too difficult or they just don't want to do it, a parent will excuse them and the teacher is to "give" them a grade... If a kid doesn't appear for a detention, the parent is called and some tell the principal that their kid isn't going to serve a detention no matter what. YES... some parents make the job of teaching very difficult.

There are also some teachers who have been teaching far too long and are burned out (for lack of a better description) and have a difficult time seeing the wonder of learning that can be found in any child no matter how terrible (or good) their behavior is.

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Chey's above post adds to my theory on some sort of counseling/test should be necessary to be a parent.

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I know I haven't been able to work it all out, it just seems to make some sense on a theoretical level. I don't know what it's like around the world, but in the states you have to take a test to drive a car. You have to get a license to get married, and in most church marriages you have to go through some sort of counseling. To get a job you have to interview. For so many of life's important aspects there is some "form" to complete and someone has to grant "approval" but not for pregnancy and parenthood. I know, my little departure from reality

All I can say is if I would have pulled this crap at school when I was young......
First I would have got my ass busted at school then, When I got home I'd had gotten my ass busted TWICE as bad when I got home!
I think the root problem here is the parents not teaching their children to behave in public.

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Ya'll really do not want to know my point of view. I use to work in what was called an innner city school. O have been hit, injured, threated and generally mistreated and that was by the staff ( joking), but I know that sometimes kids go off for no apparent reason but because of the wonderful ideals of liberal thinkers who feel that a child has to feeel good about themselfs and that proper parenting never includes a good ass whooping we get to deal with this type of behavior from an 8 year old that will result in even more interesting behavior when he is 18

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With the disclosure of some RARE, true child abuse cases……..

*enter- stage right* The LAWYERS
*enter- stage left* The PSYCOLOGISTS

Today the parents have the same (and often more) restrictions as to what discipline they are permitted to use with their children. Now the school systems and facility are exposed to anxious civil litigation:bang: and the parents are subject to criminal prosecution.

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GOD! I’m so glad this is behind me.

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I spend way too much time in dependency court to believe for one minute, at least in the judicial district I live in, that parents are being unduly charged criminally. It may happen but I bet the instances are extremely rare. Here everything must be investigated but the parents I see in dependency court, deserve to be there.

If there were a simple fix to the problem, somebody would have found it by now.

While some may not care for the book's author, I do buy into the "it takes a village to raise a child" theory. I'm the momma on my block who not only praises and disciplines her own kids but will not hesitate to treat any other neighborhood kids with the same expectations and respect as I do my own. It's a complacency problem, possibly, *shrugs* lowered expectations mayhaps.

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any sort of behavioral conditions aside, it comes down to respect (or the lack of it rather) which can be taught in many ways, all of them effective. it is a parental issue/responsibility--to teach this to your child--but when the parent(s) fail(s), it it up to local mentors--be they other parents, authority figures or school teachers--to step in and take on the responsibility becasue this sort of misbeahavior, as evidenced by this news story, affects the entire communtiy on many levels--i would even go so far as to say it affects the *future of the community because one day these children will be in positions of power and there behavior will have even furthur reaching consequences.

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I do spank my kids and I do not have a problem if they were to have received a paddle in school. I know they will probably never bring it back in schools, but I would vote that they could. Being a parent of two kids, I tell them that if a teacher tells them something, it would be like if I told it to them and they better listen unless it had something that they questioned as if the teacher would touch them inappropriately.
I know that everyone is frustrated these days and it does start with the parents.
My son got in trouble on the bus a few months back and got kicked off for a week. Someone on the bus twisted his arm back and hurt him so he retaliated and hit him with his book bag. I had no problem with him getting kicked off because the bus driver doesn't have time messing with kids when she needs to be focusing on the road. What I did have a problem with is that the school didn't call my wife or I to discuss it with us. They said they don't do that anymore because when it comes to the bus because they have had nothing, but argumentative parents. I did ground my son for two weeks for being disruptive on the bus even though I didn't agree with it because he was defending himself, but I want to support the school as much as I can, but I told them they need to call me regardless and they cannot assume that all parents are going to be argumentative with them.
We cannot be with our kids 24/7 and we cannot assume they are always going to do the right thing even though we want to believe in them, they will mess up. And we are not going to bring them up right if we always try to shelter them from dealing with the consequences if they do wrong because when they are of legal age, we will not be able to keep them out of jail if they do something against the law.

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