NYT article

Just curious about whether you think security or privacy should prevail in this matter. What are your feelings about a government wiretapping with no warrant?

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I don't think either should "prevail", this is another case of the executive branch run rampant & ignoring the other two branches...& a president still convinced that he is the monarch & the rest of us should start liking it...

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I have to say I was not paying very close attention to the infringement of my rights until it came to Pixies and other such sites but now it seems that I get really heated up when I think about all the things I am dealing with in the name of "security".

Why does it all feel so far left when it's coming from the far right? Is the continuem circular and not linear as I had always imagined.

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"THAT" couldn't happen to us, in this day and age, is the linear continuum of history.

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Shit!!! The old man got ME in a spelling error. It must be judgement day

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I just copied. Microsoft spell-check got both of us. lol

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Have the locusts descended?

In this case, where wiretapping is a necessity of the times in order to protect the Nation from those who mean us harm, the ruling is a win for Osama Bin Laden.

I want the government to do everything in its power to keep us safe. Uncle Sam isn't interested in my calls to Mom or Aunt Sally. Too many of us warp this into a conspiracy so broad and evil that we miss the intent of the act, which is to protect us from terrorism.

The day this wiretapping is bent to include prosecuting non-terrorist acts, such as phone sex, is the day impeachment proceedings and firings take place.

As for the oft quoted Mr. Franklin, I feel his words of counsel are misplaced in this case. I daresay he would agree with the government's program in that intellegence gathering for the purpose of protecting the Nation is indeed a necessary and proper act.

At the risk of provoking my liberal Pixie friends, which I do not wish to do, I would suggest that the protest would not be nearly as vociferous had Mr. Clinton been the one authorizing it under similar circumstances.

I guess that speaks volumes about trust.


As one of your liberal Pixies friends, I have to wonder if any of this would have been at all an issue. It seems 41 and 43 have had the ability to piss off extremist in the middle east like no other presidents have.

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for myself...i'm not so sure franklin would have been in favor of the patriot act, but of course we'll never know...the dude's dead . i just wanna say that i (mis)quoted him, i did not mean to bring his views into it. i was only expressing my own by stealing his.


MHO:
our government is only in favor of protecting our privacy when it comes to other companies or people or governments. i think that they (our govn't) would prefer to have our personal data, and they'd like to reserve the ability, and the right, to access any part of it that suits them at any time it suits them.

i am not a conspiracy theorist but...

the problem is that once a line is drawn it is never completely erased. it might move around, but it never goes away. take income tax for example. it too was begun as a temporary act of govn’t…as a means of raising money to support a war-effort, but over a hundred years later, it remains and it’s spawned its own juggernaut that needs an entire industry of lawyers, accountants and software, not to mention the bureaucracy that is the irs.

the patriot act was also a temporary measure created during "war time", and created in fear - a bad time to make laws - as opposed to a need for money (as income taxes were). BUT, almost as soon as it was passed, the lobbying began for extending it and even making some parts of it indefinite.

if you are an upstanding, moral citizen, the removal of some basic rights granted by the act shouldn't bother you nor will it affect you, but who decides that? they have already begun arresting, questioning, and detaining people for just talking about their views and ideas (the peeps who wondered what would happen if they blew up the holland tunnel, for example). blowing up a tunnel is bad, i know, but they didn’t even have a real plan, money or materials, they were just wondering. i’ve wondered about shit like that. i’ve wondered about shit worse than that.

ever see the movie minority report?

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Wasn't Ben a secret agent among other things.

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In a sense, yes...during the Revolution, he was in France as a diplomat, the true mission being to seduce the French into supporting our little cause...he also functioned as perhaps the first American spin doctor there...

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Excellent points, jseal. The Middle East extremists are truly non-discriminatory when it comes to Democrats and Republicans...they hate Americans...all of us.

Never forget that.

I hate it when I have to take my shoes off at the airport because some piece of shit once tried to blow up his shoe. I hate it that we need wiretapping and Patriot Act and our troops overseas. But the world we live in demands such actions for us to be made safe.

I don't agree with Rummy on much but one thing he has right: If we do not fight them there, we will surely fight them here.