I agree and forgot to mention the whole "she is willing to/wants to" do it part. Excellent point Jax. That is a part of it as well, and probably the most important part, since I'm not a porn star and are being paid to do that.

I would never give a facial unless she wanted it and she's never asked. Usually she wants it in her pussy or on her tummy.

Well I have never done it to a girl. Usually they have given me a blowjob and followed through on their own by swallowing.

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I'm with Jax as well on this one. I have met women who have liked it, not liked it, and told me to do it before I even thought of asking. Now I am not saying I don't like women who don't do it. Because I love all women, but I like the fact that I am doing such a "deviant" sexual act by our standards. I mean we may be in this enlightened age but sex, unless its the missionary position, is bad according to so many people. Just my .02$

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I disagree on that point dick. I think there is a huge difference. (<---I said huge and dick in the same paragraph...lol!)

I agree with those who said it's a dominance thing. I'll go one step further and say it could be a demeaning/insulting act if you insist on it and she has shown dislike for it but doesn't want to upset you during the climax but you know she won't turn you away.

It's almost like spitting in someones face to me. That is the highest form of insult in my book!

I like him to cum in my mouth. I'll leave my mouth wide open so he can watch it go in even. But I won't let him purposely come all over my face. I like him to cum anywhere else on my body for that matter...so it's not a clean up issue. If I find he can't control trajectory as he cums in my mouth I'll clamp my mouth over him till he's calmed a bit and open again for the finale.

Hey! Marking territory is barbaric/animalistic! I've come a long way since being batted over the head and dragged into a cave!!!! LMFAO!

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I like it because she let me do it. It shows her submission to me.

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As Scotz said, it's a porn thing.

The whole "pull out and spurt" thing was to prove the sex was for real, not faking it.

Expectations are born of porn, thus the "need for seed".

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Well, since MY query got Lilith thinking I figured I ought to reply! For me personally, I can/will cum anywhere she directs me to! I ALWAYS announce my impending nut-gasm...sometimes she will keep it in her mouth (my personal fav)...sometimes on her face (another BIG turn-on, but not quite as stimulating)...sometimes on her chest &/or stomach...In short, I let HER do the aiming!!! I NEVER force anything upon anyone!!!

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Hmmmmm

*Once again, Wanda Kitty steps up and onto her soap (or is it a litter?) box.

OK, if is a porn thing, and I don't watch porn, why do I like them?

Yes, I've seen some porn, but I don't think I have seen a facial in a porn movie. I know that the man ejaculating where the camera can see it is important. "See? It's real". But I suspect facials are much, much older. They are just a variation of "titty fucking", which has been around forever. A more extreme "pearl necklace."
I did read that Bukkake (which I LOVE) came from Japanese porn, as they have to "hide" the man's cock in some way, but are allowed to show semen.
But coming on your partner is not just from movies. Yes, "marking" a woman with your semen (the man cums on your face, boobs, or bottom, you let it dry and wear it) is a D/s thing, (I happen to have practiced that as well) and I'm sure there is all kinds of interesting psych and sociology behind it. And when at university, we wore his pin, his jacket? That kind of "marking property" is different how? "Because it's yucky SEMEN!"?
So? I happen to like semen. Maybe it is popular because I know people who find semen disgusting. "It comes from the same place urine does, it's nasty, I'll never put that in my mouth!" - I have heard other women say all this. Cum in your mouth? What about swallowing? Not likely.
So what is done to show acceptance, even enjoyment of the taste and feel of a man's semen? We celebrate it, feed on it, (suck it down and swallow it) wear it and enjoy it. I rub it into my boobs. A facial. On boobs, ass or whatnot.

Bukkake, intense facials are among the most intense, rich, sensual, sexual experiences I have ever had. But I have always done it voluntarily. No one should ever be forced. That is sexual slavery. About the same as "ethnic cleansing"

You can go too far with reading comparisons between humans and animals. When Leigh brushes my hair, (something else I love) she is expressing affection, not practicing animalistic grooming rituals.
Is perfume our way of putting our scent on another to mark them? Look up the history of lipstick. It is about women drawing attention to our mouths. Why? We are attracting others by comparing our mouths to the redness of our "other lips" is the basic psycho- social reason. That the term "lipstick lesbian" is used in describing a sex positive feminist such as myself is very telling.
Besides, the argument that it just objectifies women ignores that a lot of us do it because we LIKE IT. And more importantly, it ignores the woman on woman form of the practice, called "glazing", (Self explanatory, I hope)and that gay men do it to one another as well.

If you find it repulsive, disgusting, or what ever, that's your choice.

If I don't? MY CHOICE. Women like Wendy Shalit and Ariel Levy do NOT speak for me.

But please don't drag out the "demeaning to women" point. I know lesbians who will not allow themselves to be penetrated vaginally in any fashion. Period. No toys, no tampons, not even fingers. Speculums? No. They have never ever had a "well woman" check up, a pap smear. "It's symbolic of man's historical demeaning and rape of women."

What IS demeaning to women?
During my last New Orleans Carnival, standing on a blacony, flashing my body, having fun, collecting beads as I have done a thousand times before, and hearing more vitriol than ever before. "Show it bitch" is becoming the standard yell, replacing the simple "show your tits" What else?
A woman is forced into porn or prostitution, things like forced marriage, "honor killings" sexual mutilation, archaic property laws, and the real, not symbolic subjugation and enslavement of women in our world.

*WW re-sheaths her claws*

It is my choice, I do it because I like it.

WW

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DAMN!





















I killed another thread.


*sigh*


When will I learn?

WW

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WW,
I must admit I liked your last post. You rock. Just wanted to say that.

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You may have killed the thread, but my now-hardened cock means you gave LIFE to me!



Why can't they clone you and spread you across the continent instead of fucking around wit' those silly sheep?

Oh yeh...I used to get "glazed" myself from time to time....and I LOOOOOOVED it!

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*sigh*

I was much too much of a bitch in that post.

Mea culpa to all my friends here.

I get defensive about my sex life. I get criticized by almost everyone about my sexual preferences, by lesbians for being bi and not "committing" to the approved lesbian lifestyle, I get mean and nasty things said to me from lots of people about being a sub... cruel things said because I do not have sex with bi men, and mostly just for having a varied and open sex life, i.e. being a happy slut.

But all of that is not an excuse for being a bitch. While I do not change my feeling, thoughts and point of view on this, I should have been nicer.

Sorry.

WW

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WW

There is a difference between "having your say" (as you did) and "having your spray" just to vent a bit of spleen.

I've not yet heard you go too far, even for my tender innocent ears.

The day you (or any of us) no longer say your (our) mind, the Forum is immeasurably poorer.

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