Excellent use of that soapbox, Ginger V; just what they were made for.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the policies and actions, it is an undeniable trait of "WASP" majority voting cultures to absolve themselves of war time leaders.

I'm going to place a bet on the Democrats.

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Vigil, if you were my husband, I would give you poison.

Madam, if you were my wife, I would take it.

I am on the teeter here. I tend to be a very conservative fellow, but I have come to trully realize in the last 3 years that Mr. Bush is not of my ilk. While he tends to speak well and talk the talk when it comes to fiscal issues, his budgets and bills he offers to congress do not reflect anything the least bit conservative. I am one of the biggest anti-tax people you will ever meet. But Bush's tax cut plan did not contain any reduced spending, so it was nothing but a gimic and we will pay for it later.

So here I am with what it is looking like, Bush vs. Kerry. I have read Kerry's voting record, and no thank you. His foriegn policy is the exact opposite of Bush's, it is one of total appeasement. I dont think that is a good way to go at this point. I think Bush's foreign policy is too extreme, but Kerry's is too extreme the other way. We needed someone in the middle someone, a good diplomat with the balls to take a stand I guess...probably won't ever find one.

So basically I am at that point where I will go to the polls in November and participate in my local elections, but probably not even bother to punch a chad for president. I never thought I would have that stand (have voted in every election since I turned 18) but the lesser of two evils is something I cannot do anymore, I am beyond disheartened.

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Love...the slowest form of suicide.

I wish Nader wouldn't run this time either. He raises some good points in his stand on health care issues and trade agreements.....but he's never had a chance in hell in winning and he knows it. He's even said that these (and a few other) issues should be at the forefront of any campaign and should and need to be adressed.....but no matter how often he adresses them himself, he can't win an election. Nader needs to find another outlet for his political objectives.....and one that would do the good he intends instead of being a monkey wrench in the mix!

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Minds are like parachutes. They only work when they are open.

~Thomas Dewar~

I know the Bush White House has got an overall grin this morning. Nader is going to sap away the edge that the Dems need to take the White House in November.

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"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

"God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh."
- Voltaire (1694-1778)

"I shall not waste my days in trying to prolong them."
- Ian L. Fleming (1908-1964)

Tess,

I would like to think that the Democratic nominee could win the presidency on his (her? …well maybe someday) merits. I’d like to think that the party of Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, John Kennedy, and Lyndon Johnson, could occupy the White House without counting on someone else withdrawing from the race.

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Eudaimonia

I would take Joh Kennedy in a heartbeat. Biggest Tax cut in the history of this country. He was very conservative by today's standards and would probably be drummed out of the Dem party.

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Love...the slowest form of suicide.

skipthisone,

In re voting: I look at it with a different perspective. My – our – THE democratic process is considerably more important that either Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dum. How will my not voting improve my – our - THE situation?

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Eudaimonia

I agree Jseal, but I dont think my voting changes/helps/hurts anything either.

That is where I have lost my conviction I guess. I am tired of the guy taking office and then getting caught or maybe even creating the crap and nothing prosperous gets done. I have decided that the best times in this country are when Congress is not in session and that way they arnt doing any damage.

All of it is about theories about how to "improve" my life. Well to be honest it is all about my motivation to do better not any law, check, or order that is given to me. I will improve my own life thank you very much Mr. President/Senator/Congressperson...is what America is all about to me.

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Love...the slowest form of suicide.

For those that think that thier individual vote doesn't count,let me
give this example:We(wife & I)live in Barrington NH,it is just outside of Rochester NH.A few years ago,Barrington,had no kindergarden classes.My wife & I,didn't pay much attention.My oldest daughter & my youngest daughter,each have two children.
My oldest daughter,bugged,my wife & I,to vote for kindergarden.
At election time,my wife & I,our two daughters & their husbands,
all voted for kindergarden.That's 6 votes.We now have kindergarden.It was passed by 12 votes! Irish

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Irish---Better to be dead & cool,then alive & uncool!
(Harley Davidson & the Marlboro Man)

I realize that your vote can count or not count, especially in local things like Irish mentioned. But at the national and sometimes state level. If your choice is sitting on your ass or voting for one...well ya-know.

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Love...the slowest form of suicide.

Just remember Skip, if you don't vote...you don't get to gripe about what'cha get .

STO---I can't tell you ,how often,we have voted for, what we consider, the lesser of two evils! Irish

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Irish---Better to be dead & cool,then alive & uncool!
(Harley Davidson & the Marlboro Man)

I am thinking I will vote, but vote for one of the independents or obscure party canidates...

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Love...the slowest form of suicide.

way to go Ship if more people would vote 3rd party insted of voying for the lesser of 2 evils. I voted 3rd party last time because I couldn't stomach either the dummycart or the repugnantcans.

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it's only kinky the first time

it's not the orgasm but getting there thats fun

a shot in the bush is worth two in the hand

whip me, beat me, tie me up, break my arm, but please don't break my heart

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid people are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt" -Bertrand Russell

Booger, you are so right, more people should cast a protest vote.

We have the same proclem in the U.K.; at our next election the differance between the two main party's is non-existant.


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