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Old 07-21-2004, 03:15 PM
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Oh Shit!!!!!! No parallel universe?????

How am I supposed to keep this shit straight if the genius keeps changing his mind ????????

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Old 07-21-2004, 03:22 PM
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Damn... Well Lilith... there's goes your chance of a 3-way with me and my alternate universe twin... Damn Geniuses...
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Old 07-21-2004, 05:19 PM
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Lilith,

Well, it helps to nudge Relativity Theory and Quantum Mechanics towards each other. New data from the Super-Kamiokande detector in Japan confirm that neutrinos change as they travel. This requires that they have some mass, and that is contrary to the Standard Model of Quantum Mechanics.
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Old 07-21-2004, 05:27 PM
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Well I could never buy that neutrinos could pass through me and be unaffected so it meshes with my personal Quantum theory.
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Old 07-21-2004, 07:49 PM
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Well, it helps to nudge Relativity Theory and Quantum Mechanics towards each other. New data from the Super-Kamiokande detector in Japan confirm that neutrinos change as they travel. This requires that they have some mass, and that is contrary to the Standard Model of Quantum Mechanics.

Wasn't the neutrino mass confirmed with 87 or 88 B supernova (going from memory) in that same flooded lead mine?

How does this support unified theory?
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I'm putting my support behind Hawking's. Black holes are not a one way path. Mass does get released, just very disfigured.

For example, I pay Tax to that black hole called Ottawa. Occasionally I see something escaping from its gravitational pull, but it is so disfigured and contorted that it is only a small amount of what I sent.
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Old 07-21-2004, 08:29 PM
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PantyFanatic,

I think the first data supporting the theory that neutrinos had mass were reported in 1998 by physicists at the Super-Kamiokande detector in Japan, and subsequently confirmed at the Sudbury Neutrino Observatory in Canada, published in 2001. The most recent reports from Super-K are a refinement of the original work with some new data.

The Standard Model predicts that neutrinos have no mass and cannot change type. This led to the “solar neutrino problem”, when only about 30% of the predicted neutrinos were detected. The “type shifting” of neutrinos was first proposed to account for the delta between the theoretical and recorded counts.

I believe that there is no accepted Unified Theory yet. String Theory and Loop Quantum Gravity have yet to produce any theoretical predictions which can be tested.

Professor Hawking’s latest efforts seem to have been influenced by developments in Information Theory and the Generalized Second Law as described by Jacob Bekenstein. I will have to wait for a non-mathematical assessment of Professor Hawking’s Dublin paper.
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Old 07-21-2004, 09:44 PM
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hmmmmmmm, I always thought Scott Bakula was sexy.. :dizzy:
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Old 07-21-2004, 10:14 PM
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All this talk has left me more confused that usual and, that's hard to do.
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My take on all this can be explained in the last thought in my signature below...
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I think Campingboy is right. I've seen the same thing happen to our tax money going to that great black hole called "Washington" or, by another name, the Great Abyss where the only thing that re-appears after are rich, ego-centric former representatives.
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Old 07-22-2004, 04:52 AM
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Well...I just got smarter at 5:51am.

I have to be in a parallel universe...or bizarro world at the very least!

LMFAO@Cheyanne! Scott Bakula is cute...I'd do him! And...his name is fun to say after tee many martuni's!
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Gentlefolk,

While I may be pilloried for what I am about to say, I shall say it anyway.

Many years ago at Caltech, Richard Feynman, speaking about quantum theory, opened a lecture with “Do not take the lecture too seriously . . . just relax and enjoy it. I am going to tell you what nature behaves like. If you will simply admit that maybe she does behave like this, you will find her a delightful, entrancing thing. Do not keep saying to yourself ‘But how can it be like that?’ because you will get...into a blind alley from which nobody has yet escaped. Nobody knows how it can be like that."

It is prudent to take his warning seriously. If you try to picture the quantum world in familiar ways you will come hopelessly unstuck. The quantum world really is different, and the only way to come to grips with it is to suspend disbelief.

The reports of the last week; that neutrinos have mass, and that the event horizon of a black hole is permeable, provide us with clear evidence that the principle physical theories of nature, both the one that describes the infinitesimal, and the one that describes the infinitely large are incomplete, and may be replaced.

This is exciting science.
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